'Dealings with Long Creek Apiaries' in the 'Consumer Report Forum' on a popular beek website was closed on Oct 31, 2010. I was disappointed in the closing of that discussion. Twenty-six direct and very entertaining posts sparked the closing; the posts were most likely deleted for the valid, truthful, opinionated content that might not have fallen within the posting guidelines of the forum.
The discussion began on Saturday evening October 29, 2010 with a post by 'SUSIE QUEEN' of San Francisco, CA., and continued through Sunday afternoon. 'SUSIEQUEEN' posted the following selected intelligent and informed remarks to beekeepers who have had money and bees stolen from them: (with misspelling and grammatical errors included).
EEEKKK! It's a troll!!!
'SUSIEQUEEN' QUOTE 1:
"Maybe all of you need to get a life! This is beginning to sound like an obsession! At the very least repetitive"
'SUSIEQUEEN' QUOTE 2:
"Here in California you would probably just disappear forever (police would help out!) Besides, what if you are wrong? In that case, all 20 pages would prevent anyone from getting paid. The business would simply disappear along with the debt. With African bees established in Georgia, where are you going to get them?"
'SUSIEQUEEN' QUOTE 3:
"Many of today's sucessful companies once were bankrupt. What would have happened if everyone stopped buying car's from US automakers because they were bankrupt? Were they guilty of fraud because of market conditions and/or bad judgement? Of course not! The point is that because the posters here believe there is fraud, then there must be fraud. If they are wrong, then they are misleading the public. Crusades are not always a good thing. Remember the Christian crusades that killed thousands of people because the crusaders though they we right. Will your hindsight prove you correct?"
'SUSIEQUEEN 'QUOTE 4:
"I think he should be given a chance to remain in business so he can make this right. This forum is not giving giving him a chance by attempting to put him out of business. You will probably reach your goals but is everybody willing to give up what they are due to them? I thought the idea is to get paid back in time. With the Georgia African bee situation, we need every source of bee in other parts of the country that we can find. I have suppliers here on the west coast but those on the east coast are not so fortunate. We will all pay a much higher price in the future."
I do not know 'SUSIEQUEEN'. I personally believe David Winters of Long Creek Apiaries put her up to her posts, and other fourm members expressed beliefs that she was associated with David Winters. 'SUSIEQUEEN' denied any association with David Winters of Long Creek Apiaries. I have to wonder, WHO TOLD "SUSIE QUEEN' WE WOULD BE PAID BACK IN TIME? I know a beek who has been waiting 2 years; 2 YEARS for a refund of $950.00. Police in California would make us disappear for asking for our money???
David Winters has been on a crusade himself, sending forum members messages and pleading with them to post on his behalf; apologize for their posts or get me to apologize for my posts . Some of the content that was posted by 'SUSIEQUEEN' was in part some of David Winters pleadings.
David Winters posted this deleted comment on July 28, 2010, 'SUSIEQUEEN' does this sound familiar?
"Bad advice"
David Winters posted this deleted comment on July 28, 2010, 'SUSIEQUEEN' does this sound familiar?
"Bad advice"
"Title says it all. Which is better? That a company stay in business and pay all money owed in time, OR, file formal bankruptcy , liquidate assets, and everyone receive only 10% of the money owed? Be careful what you ask for, you may get it!"
I do know this about 'SUSIEQUEEN'. 'SUSIEQUEEN ' posted these remarks in a different thread in the Consumer Report Forum and I am curious about these posts:
Posted by 'SUSIEQUEEN' on 10-7-2010: (Post #3):
I would like to ask 'SUSIEQUEEN' who she avoided with bad reports in the 'Consumer Report Forum', the very forum discussing David Winters of Long Creek Apiaries.
Posted by 'SUSIEQUEEN on 10-28-2009: (Post # 1):
'SUSIEQUEEN' said in her post that David Winters was too far from her in San Francisco, California to order bee packages from in Tennessee, yet 'SUSIEQUEEN' ordered or considered ordering queens from a supplier in Louisiana??? 'SUSIEQUEEN' MIGHT ORDER FROM LOUISIANA BUT NOT TENNESSEE BECAUSE TENNESSEE IS TO FAR???
'SUSIEQUEEN' of San Francisco, wherever and whoever you are, here are the facts of my 'crusade', plain and simple for you:
'SUSIEQUEEN' of San Francisco, wherever and whoever you are, here are the facts of my 'crusade', plain and simple for you:
Sent a check to David Winters=$740 bucks
No honey bees delivered=zero, zip, nada.
No refund=zero, zip, nada.
No honey bees=no honey=no wax=zero customers=no income….
Zero income.
No bees building up in spring. This will put me 2 years behind.
No emails, no letters, no phone calls from David Winters of Long Creek Apiaries. Zero , zip, nada. David Winters doesn’t write and doesn’t call.
My experience with David Winters of Long Creek Apiaries is not priceless.
I appreciate those who did speak out, and appreciate those who speak out for those of us who have had our money stolen from us from David Winters of Long Creek Apiaries.
This is my philosophy in life(and business):
Life is very good, work hard, have fun!
Play fair, don’t cheat, and there will be rewards.
Share; sharing is a good thing (I never went to kindergarten).
Never write checks with your mouth that your backside.... (or attorney :-) !!!) can’t cover!
Tell the truth and admit when your wrong and say your sorry.
Take naps or chill; spend time with the bees, go fishing, call a friend, have a cocktail. Do something so you don’t get all snarly and cranky.
And most of all never ever take money to the bank you didn’t rightfully earn.
I value my membership on this popular forum. I hope if the administrators stumble across this post, they would contact me prior to deleting my posts with one click, and banning me. My posts have been helpful to many and I have made some great friendships with beekeepers across the United States.
BTW DAVID WINTERS OF LONG CREEK APIARIES, WHERE IS MY $740.00???
I value my membership on this popular forum. I hope if the administrators stumble across this post, they would contact me prior to deleting my posts with one click, and banning me. My posts have been helpful to many and I have made some great friendships with beekeepers across the United States.
BTW DAVID WINTERS OF LONG CREEK APIARIES, WHERE IS MY $740.00???
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